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Feb 1 2017, 06:07 PM Post #46 |
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http://www.safermedicines.org/page/faqs_faq06 Again, there are better alternatives. |
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| + Steve | Feb 1 2017, 07:32 PM Post #47 |
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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That's what I would call a roadbump, not everything works perfectly and nor do these alternatives. It's possible to value different things. |
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Feb 1 2017, 08:28 PM Post #48 |
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A road bump... Spoiler: click to toggle
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| + Steve | Feb 1 2017, 08:58 PM Post #49 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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Yes? Not everyone has good practices. Sometimes surgery goes wrong and it kills the patient, doesn't mean we should never operate on people. Just means we need to figure out ways to do it better. Or just let everyone die for absolutely no reason at all because there's much sense in that. If everyone just makes daisy chains together we'll be happy and free. If an animal is hurt in a way not necessary to an important experiment going on then such incidents should be looked in to and fixed. "How long can a rabbit live when you rip it's kidneys out with your bare hands" is hardly an important enough experiment to kill a rabbit over. |
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Feb 1 2017, 09:07 PM Post #50 |
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The difference between operations and animal testing is that operations are intended to save lives. Animal testing is intended to make human lives easier at the risk of severely harming or killing an innocent animal that cannot consent to having their body/mind tampered with. How you can't get it through your head that animals neither ask for nor want this is beyond me. Animal testing is not done to save human lives. It is done to make lives easier for humans. The one instance you mentioned that was life saving, the Polio vaccine, ended up being deterred by animal testing. Testing chemicals, products, and treatments on animals is something that we do purely out of selfishness. How can we make our lives easier? How can we ensure that this completely unnecessary product won't sting peoples' eyes? Oh, how about we trap an innocent animal in a cage and harm it repeatedly? That sounds like a great idea. I really don't see how you aren't getting this. |
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| + Steve | Feb 1 2017, 09:28 PM Post #51 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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Easier and save lives, it's not like every test on animals is for fun. You make it sound like scientists don't care about the goal they're aiming for.
...I do understand that. I just don't see why that has to matter more than anything else. If 50 lives can be sacrificed to save 50 million I see no issue there, sucks for the 50 that died.
Not always but yes it is. How can you even argue that it isn't? If they're seeing how to cure cancer in rats to have a better understanding in how to cure it in humans, that's to save lives.
Again, roadbumps. Not everything is going to go perfectly. That doesn't discount instances where it's been extremely beneficial to test on animals. Testing on rats has lead to many breakthroughs.
I agree. I've already said I don't agree with that. "Animal testing" isn't some singular thing where you have to say yes to all of it or none of it. Some of it is clearly pointless like testing lipstick on monkeys. That's not any sort of life saving test, unless they're putting cyanide in lipstick and just making sure it won't kill monkeys before they get humans to slap it on their face.
Ditto. Not true actually, you're just not paying attention to what I've said. I've said I don't agree with cosmetic testing on animals and anything that isn't greatly beneficial for research or technological advancement. We don't need to know how many cans of Red Bull a monkey can drink before it dies or goes insane, that's clearly useless information that achieves nothing. Testing better ways to use radiation or other methods to shrink tumours in monkeys however is useful information that can benefit many things. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Feb 1 2017, 10:51 PM Post #52 |
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How many lives does it end? Lives that are invariably ended after enduring horrific pain, and more often than not to no benefit at all. Not that it matters - they're blacks. Oh, sorry, not that - they're Jews. No, not that either - lesser beings! That's it, they're lesser beings, yes. That ought to cover any ethical issues that may arise. So killing one person to save five people would be perfectly acceptable, yes? Sucks to be the one, right? If your response is "but that's a person/human", you'll be effectively declaring yourself the stupidest person on the forum. Especially if you start banging on about what the majority think of all this, too. Rats are not people, and curing cancer in rats does not translate as curing cancer in humans. Early adopters of medicines and operations are effectively testing out how things react in humans, because animal testing doesn't provide those answers. You don't know what something is going to do to a human until you use it on a human. Cut out the cruel middle man. They've been curing various cancers in mice for a while now. People? Yeah, still haven't found "a cure for cancer". Why? Because mice aren't people; people aren't mice. I know - surprised me, too. Hundreds of millions of pointlessly abused animals a year: "roadbumps", he says. Can you provide an instance where testing on animals has directly translated to a breakthrough with humans? No tests on people being done at all; it just works because of animal testing. Can animal testing provide useful information that prevented some tests needing to be performed a on a person? Perhaps, but that in itself doesn't make it ethical - something you can't demonstrate it is without resorting to faulty logic. Why? Because it's not ethical. Hey, if it prevents even one person from going insane or dying from Red Bull, it's worth it. They're human, fam. Human. El-oh-el, right? You're trolling, aren't you? You've been trolling this whole time? Oh, you... you got us good... Real good... |
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| + Steve | Feb 2 2017, 02:14 AM Post #53 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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If it doesn't lead to saving more lives than it ends either it wasn't worth it or it was a failure.
Yes, those are totally the same thing if you consider all lives to be equal. Not everyone does though.
I don't know a single person who wouldn't agree with that. How can one human life be worth more than those five?
Completely not true but alright, you're the scientist here. If something can directly kill cancer cells in rats then there's a good chance it can kill them in humans, radiation for example. There is no magical force that makes it work on rats but prevents it working on humans. It doesn't work with some things but it works with others, that's just fact. If it never worked why the hell would we test on animals at all?
Yeah, because it's not as simple as injecting a rat with the cure and injecting the human. Just because it's complicated doesn't mean it helps any observations go a long way to figuring out what the human version needs, what things are capable of killing cancer, what things might just make it worse or kill the host.
Yep.
No because that's some ridiculous criteria right there. Nothing "just works because of animal testing" you can't shove s*** from one animal in to another and have it work perfectly... But if you must know, experimenting on animals helped us work out how to perform blood transfusions, test and make insulin, anaesthetics, the cervical cancer vaccine and I'm not going to list any more because I could list a million things and you'd still say it's not enough to justify it, so I wonder why you even ask. Or why I respond. These circles are nausea inducing.
That depends entirely on who you're asking. I'm sure you've heard of the expression "The end justifies the means" it's a completely subjective thing, just because you don't believe it is doesn't make it not. Sorry.
Yeah 'cause to agree with animal testing means you want tickets to watch all of it, it's a neat little club. They give us live rats filled with bacon to rip apart while we watch. You can grow bacon in rats, animal testing is the greatest and that's clearly what I've been saying. Just throwing this out there, what if people people don't believe that feelings are the most important thing ever? Crazy I know, how can people not care about the exact same things like nearly mindless ants following a pattern? The rules are all laid out for us by...The Mysterious Force of All Binding Knowledge. It's weird that there's debate about it when it's so black and white isn't it? Edited by Steve, Feb 2 2017, 02:17 AM.
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| Sam | Feb 2 2017, 02:49 AM Post #54 |
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.
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Guys - be civil. Quit the damn rudeness, seriously. No reason to start namecalling. |
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| Know'm Sayin' | Feb 2 2017, 04:50 AM Post #55 |
ZERO HOOTS GANG
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Let's say farming pigs for their human body parts actually becomes real. Then how popular and in demand will it be? Personally I think it would be the most in demand thing since diamonds. So what will happen to the rest of the piggo after its been scrapped of its organs? McDonalds... "Our %100 beef patty's on contain %10 human" lamow
Edited by Know'm Sayin', Feb 2 2017, 04:56 AM.
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R.I.P. 3pac; ZERO HOOTS GANG
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| + Steve | Feb 2 2017, 12:22 PM Post #56 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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I always try to be, apologies.
Yeah I mentioned that bit before...I'm sure they'd have to just do away with the pig entirely. Human cells would surely appear elsewhere in the thing. Mind you there's endless amounts of s*** that goes in our food we don't get told about, so maybe not. There's too many humans as it is, clearly cannibalism is the future. All I really care for right now is for them to work out a way to regrow our teeth, since evolution hasn't caught up with us living more than 30 or so years. Give me shark teeth that grow back within hours of losing them. Hell yeah. Preferably not pointy like shark ones though, imagine swallowing them in your sleep and pooping them out... |
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